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July 26, 1998

Skeptic News Web Site, www.skepticnews.com, Goes Online

Skeptic News Web Site, www.skepticnews.com, Goes Online
I've moved the prototype page to www.skepticnews.com and have begun putting the site together in earnest. Stay tuned for further changes as I get things organized!

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I located some archived posts from the first incarnation of Skeptic News and have posted them, as you can see. I'd like to post some more, but we'll have to see whether I get around to it.

Posted by: Wally Hartshorn | Jan 16, 2007 1:07:07 PM

I recently posted a comment on Scientific Religion attacking the ID'ers-I am purely fasinated with the amount of nutter groups like "Scientic Religion" One of the best laughs I have had in years

Here is a copy of that post,

sadness dawns on the unforgiving brain as I grapple to argue, no defend "Truth & Light" "Luke come to the dark side". but alas i cannot, How often does a guy like me have to STATE THE BLOODY TRUTH.

inteligent design is no more than a LIE-PURE & SIMPLE, the beauty of the deciet comes from the simplicity of the argument, a great sales pitch & feeds an ever growing number of undereducated, ill-informed or ignorant mass

The court case as you rightly said did not denigh ID, but that also in itself does not state its support either

secondly, religious freedoom in the USA protects those who support ID from being sued, Just like the right to free speach. But that does in NO WAY IMPLY THAT THE LEGAL SYSTEM CONDONES OR ACCEPTS RELIGIOUS DOGMA BEING TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS IN THE GUISE OF SCIENTIFIC THEORY . AS THE CASE AND THE JUDGES NOTES CLEARLY STATE ( please note although Evolution is called a theory it is reconised as FACT by all scientists)

Thought without reason is no thought at all

secondly the three or more teachers who were sacked or forced to resign from that little school have launched major law suits against the "states education system" that would condone such actions as occured.

and lastly the only reason the case went to trial at all was that over 95% of the Parents & Teachers Association members could not vote out the UNELECTED BOARD until a few months later, due to the P&T Consitution govening "Board Elections"

THE TEACHERS, STUDENTS & PARENTS WERE OUTRAGED BY THE ACTIONS OF "FAR RIGHT RELIGIOUS FUNDERMENTALISTS" IN DESTROYING THEIR SCHOOLS PROUD REPUTATION

Besides the death threats, bagering and bulling tactics the "School Body-thats all the parents, teachers & students in the school" WON, thankfully this terrible incident is behind them & now children can recieve a well rounded education with Evolution back on the "Shelf"

600 years ago a man was burnt at the stake for challenging "Gods" interpretation of the universe. Those same inquisitors (who killed him) are back only this time they dont where robes

Spelling mistakes come free.

I sent the above message in reply to the following dribble-

I would like to invite you to comments on this news item published on BBC web site; Tuesday, 20 December 2005;
'Intelligent design' teaching ban"
A court in the US has ruled against the teaching of "intelligent design" in school (Pennsylvania town of Dover) alongside Darwin's theory of evolution. A group of parents argued that intellegent theory promotes religion.

Do you think , Intellegent Design has anything to do with religion?.

My view is that : Its a simple way of saying: Hey there is not enough scientific knowledge available at present to explain the design of this universe. This is a sort of conclusion reached on the basis of scientific facts by all prominent scientists. Therefore , the theory of Intelligent Design is based on available scientific facts. Shall we be able to explain the design of universe any time in future with the help of science?. We can not say for sure. Then next question comes to mind is then "WHO" designed it?. As soon as we asked the question of "WHO" - Religion comes into the play big time. Those who are against this theory are really scared of "WHO" .On the other , they are also unable to explain the whole phenomena. Its their dilemma. Let's expalin it or keep searching for WHO?


Posted by: Frank Sheehan | Feb 24, 2008 7:34:10 AM

adding to that story, please read the following. this time i hope to include the links but im not too brite when it comes to techo stuff so bear with me.

naturally the abovecomments were only admitted by me after I complained to the administrators of the group

starting from my complaint to their reply and my answer to their question-

as I see the world of free speach no longer applies, why is this so? Does not this group wish to hear all sides of an argument. as such my dissapointment in the actions of this group are profond. Not only is it bias to one point of view, it does not let others with different views express them.

as I have stated evolution is a fact. It is completely true and unquestionable. the activities of those who dispute basic science however are not.

I wait with baited breath to see if this message will be admitted

this is message9/9-I wrote message 8 which has not been posted.

What is it your God says let religion be the start of the argument

For my students, I have taken the time to copy both messages, which should make for entertaining disscusion.

Science Rocks!!

Their reply-

From: Ehsan Sent: 1/03/2008 3:41 PM

If you have studied and understood our posts here specially
"Guided Evolution" you would know our stand:

The Evolution is A Fact and we Accept It FULLY
Point Out Something From Our Stated Posting Guided Evolution with your problem with it.

my answer-

From: Evolution-is-Fact-Jack Sent: 1/03/2008 5:38 PM
First of all "There is no such thing as Guided Evolution. It is simply a load of garbage, the world was not created, or "guided" to a point by a "creator" be that creator be budda, god, zeus etc. Guied evolution is simply another wacko, far neo-cristian right explaination that suits their "and only" their interpretation of the universe life and everything according to their best understanding of the bible. Inteligent Design, Guided Evolution or creation science are all the same thing "bunk" non scientific dogma spread by mis-"guided" individuals who cannot accept 5th grade basic classroom science.

To state that you belive Evolution to be 'fact' on the one hand then imply a false dogmatic religous theology (Guided Evolution, Creationism, Or inteligent Design)to support a false stance is implaseable. let alone deceitful.

Evolution is a Fact-All other proported "creator theologies" including "Gudied Evolution" are purely, biggoted unsupported rubish-

yes and getting back to your Question-
"Point Out Something From Our Stated Posting Guided Evolution with your problem with it."

Answer: The bloody lot of it, what a load of "cods wallop"

Yet again another example of the "Religious Christian Right" preying on the Uneducated and deciving the ill informed

the link to this thread is
http://groups.msn.com/ScientificReligion/intellegentdes.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=381


Posted by: frank sheehan | Mar 2, 2008 4:52:38 PM

life-back to the story above, i thought i would keep all apaised on the ever funny world of wacko

hear is the latest on the ever increasing jibberish from MSM Group "Scientific Religion" and my last reply

So hear is the story since the last post above

Now i tell you these God "Botherer's" really are thick they by their own actions simpl;y re-inforce evolution(pardon the pun)

If you have studied and understood our posts here specially
"Guided Evolution" you would know our stand:

The Evolution is A Fact and we Accept It FULLY
Point Out Something From Our Stated Posting Guided Evolution with your problem with it.

Reply
Recommend Message 11 of 15 in Discussion

From:(me) Evolution-is-Fact-Jack Sent: 1/03/2008 4:38 PM
First of all "There is no such thing as Guided Evolution. It is simply a load of garbage, the world was not created, or "guided" to a point by a "creator" be that creator be budda, god, zeus etc. Guied evolution is simply another wacko, far neo-cristian right explaination that suits their "and only" their interpretation of the universe life and everything according to their best understanding of the bible. Inteligent Design, Guided Evolution or creation science are all the same thing "bunk" non scientific dogma spread by mis-"guided" individuals who cannot accept 5th grade basic classroom science.

To state that you belive Evolution to be 'fact' on the one hand then imply a false dogmatic religous theology (Guided Evolution, Creationism, Or inteligent Design)to support a false stance is implaseable. let alone deceitful.

Evolution is a Fact-All other proported "creator theologies" including "Gudied Evolution" are purely, biggoted unsupported rubish-

yes and getting back to your Question-
"Point Out Something From Our Stated Posting Guided Evolution with your problem with it."

Answer: The bloody lot of it, what a load of "cods wallop"

Yet again another example of the "Religious Christian Right" preying on the Uneducated and deciving the ill informed

Reply
Recommend Message 12 of 15 in Discussion

From: Alessya0 Sent: 4/03/2008 9:11 AM
Dear Evolution-is-Fact-Jack I read your comment twice but could not find your grounds or logic behind your statement:
First of all "There is no such thing as Guided Evolution. It is simply a load of garbage,

Could you state at least one major problem you identified with the position and the supporting logic stated in the Guided Evolution pages????

Reply
Recommend Message 13 of 15 in Discussion

From: Evolution-is-Fact-Jack Sent: 4/03/2008 6:09 PM
Well its like this no scientist reconises "guided evolution". Not one, no where-it is not regarded as science, it is simply a "religious theology" discusied in retoric. As I said the whole lot is bunk-that means every word of it-"Thats Right" Its BUNK-The lot.

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Recommend Message 14 of 15 in Discussion

From: WAS_Recombinant Sent: 10/03/2008 1:27 AM
First of all , thanks "Evolution-is-Fact-Jack" for your posts. I appreciate your contributions. This is a forum for open-minded . Welcome ---
I do think your arguments (if there are) are all over the place. If I may say ;
"Evolution" is not yet proven in a scientific sense and I wonder how it ended up in texts. Again may be religious factor may played a part into it it. "Intelligent deisgn" theory advocates are not all "Religious right" . Most of them are real scientists, physicists (not biologists). Let's take it to one step at a time."it is an intelligent design". Please don't say "No". "Who ?" Leave this part now . Nothing religious in it.

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Recommend Message 15 of 15 in Discussion

From: Evolution-is-Fact-Jack Sent: 10/03/2008 3:52 AM
First of all Evolution is a proven scientific fact. This is undisputed by any known scientist and has been now for well over 100 years.

To explain what evolution is-it is called natural selection

that is- over time things evolve, they are not created

Religion has everything to do with those who oppose basic science. And I must say i also find it offencive that you would imply that there is "nothing religious in it"

on a personal note to all good christians out there who for some reason cannot accept basic 5th grade education. My local Preist (a catholic) has nothing against evolution nor does my mothers minister of her church. Both Churchers, Prodestant & Catholic accept that evolution is "factual". But this in no way inplies a lack of faith on their part.

When in a radio interview with the local minister this subject was brought up. he stated the following "I can seperate my faith from science quite easy" Faith reqiures no science or evidence just faith. later on I talked to him regard to science (note this was not on radio) and the following points should be noted

He does not believe that the bible should be taken literally
He does not believe in Noahs Ark nor does he even believe in Moses but says the two old testerment stories should be taken at face value, they have a basic moral to the tales
he believes jesus existed and will rise again
but he does not accept retoric or fundermentalism of any sort. And is quite amazed that throughout the growth of the Cristian faith it is only now that people are taking at face value "the nameless" mass of so called enlightened ones who for some reason can read and understand the bible with more clarity than his 35 years wearing a cloth and doctorite in theology. yet he accepts that even he is not always right but bases his beliefs on "faith" plus a moral compass to guide him.
he does not need to LIE to protect his beliefs unlike those who attack evolution and is discusted, stating that their "fundermentalist" attitudes will destroy the credibility of "Christianity"
on that so does my mum (or mom) depending on your country. And she is one of the most christian women i have ever known
Now i am not religious, Yes I dont believe in any form of "God" Gods or spirits, Budda, islam, Vodoo. All religious faith of any kind I reject. I simply do not believe in any of them.

So hear a few scientific facts

Rocks are millions sometimes billions of years old and we can date them
The universe happened from a big bang some billions of years ago
the earth is approx 4.5 billion years old
it takes the sun about 7 minutes for the light etc to reach earth
the world is round
their are billions of gallaxies like ours and in those gallaxies are billions of solar systems
by studying fossils humans can gather evidence that when compiled together paint a picture of the development of life on this planent
i have never been to the USA or UK but know that they exist, I know this not only from seeing the countries on television but from learning in scientific textbooks
Now what is evolution

Evolution is a fact that was first proposed by a "man" called "charles darwin" who wrote a book called "the origin of the species" over 200 years ago

by studying animals, plants and fossils over many years was able to conclude that all life on earth was not created but evolved over many millions, billions of years

when the book came out Evolution was called a theory. The name has stuck even though beyond any doubt all evidence proves "natural selection".

With the breakthrough discovery of DNA it is unquestionable truth-a fact

Evolution is taught in science classes throughout the world to millions of students & is one of the cornerstones of science. Without evolution you cannot study astronmony, biology, astrophisics etc the list is endless

Charles Darwin was a practising "Christian" with a faith in "God" You fundermentalists normally dont mention that so i thought i better. He was a little chubby guy who had a wife and a few kids, normal caring, loving a pure gentleman

So how do i dispute the "other so called theories" that claim Darwins Theory is indeed a false

First of all-You cannot have a faith in a "creator" and then base a theory on that creators existance. It is very basic science-you cannot test it because it is impossible to do so "it requires faith" to believe in the first instance. without that the theory does not exist. That is why "so called theories" like "inteligent design" or "Guided Evolution" Have "Everything to do with religion"-You have to believe in a Creator-A superior being who control's or controled our destiny and "guided" us on a path that lead to humans, birds, fish etc. There is no evidence that a creator exists-"it requires faith"

Second of all-Every scientist avails their theories to be tested against scientific method before it is accepted. Both "Inteligent design and Guied evolution" have been tested and found to be bunk-Yes LIES not theories "make believe"-but hey who should i believe, the vast majority of evidence or a few wacko religious fundermentalists who claim "God" did it

I did read the by-lines to this group and I question the basic premis of its existence. Religion is not Science, nor can religion be used or visa versa to explain it

and when you talk about monkies etc i am afraid your statements are jibberish with little undertanding. i do put it down to a lack of quality education, i dont blame you for it, but thats what it is.

And why did you have to quote from two of the world most famous philosopers to garnish credibility, those two old boys would be rolling in their graves right now. having read a bit of their stuff, and i doubt many who come to this "group" have, you get a feel for where they were coming from and it is definently not your side of the argument at all

lastly-your not going to care anyway, your "faith" will guide you, regardless of all the evidence presented, you would (and will not) never accept anything unless it met with your already held position. Thats why you are no different to any other fundermentaist, be they buddist, christian, muslim, ratafarian jew etc,

Religion Has Everything to do with Trying to discredit Evolution . Or more to the point "religious fundermentalists"



Posted by: frank sheehan | Mar 9, 2008 8:38:34 PM

yeah, i know darwin was aN AGNOSTIC,AND HE HAD TEN KIDS-but for the life of me these religious nutters get me so pissed off that sometimes i might let anger sway the pen

and im no scientist, just another pleb who loves their work and hold them in higher esteem than football stars

Posted by: frank sheehan | Mar 9, 2008 8:44:02 PM

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